chat transcript

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 09:55:52 AM EDT] francesco fucilla : ciao franco :-)

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 09:58:34 AM EDT] Andrew Gray : Hi. This is Andrew Gray. I'm the model of reality guy.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 09:59:17 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Andrew Gray will speak in January. I invited him.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:02:54 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Prof. Selleri, could you please turn your volume down. The echo of David is bad.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:03:36 AM EDT] Prof. Rati Ram Sharma : Hello, David & Prof. Selleri, Greetings from India

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:04:24 AM EDT] David de Hilster : I lost my audio

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:05:45 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Please wait for David to start the recording.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:24:21 AM EDT] Bob de : Biological age is difficult to measure

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:24:35 AM EDT] David de Hilster : It is more difficult to accept! ;-)

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:30:32 AM EDT] Peter Marquardt : Bob and David: That's a true METAPHYSICAL matter you are addressing!Sth to think about!Thanks!

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:31:17 AM EDT] Andrew Gray : Can you give more details about your new measurement of c.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:33:27 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : I wonder if you have a simple demo of the IT math that shows a different result for s.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:33:39 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : [for c]

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:36:34 AM EDT] David de Hilster : I like that explanation about the paradox. There is no left or right in empty space. :-)

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:37:12 AM EDT] David de Hilster : Very nice.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:37:12 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : This has to do with the math of the LT. The LT math is wrong.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:38:42 AM EDT] David de Hilster : Harry, that is another point.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:39:32 AM EDT] David de Hilster : Ron Hatch is presenting next week. Don't want to miss that!

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:41:44 AM EDT] Ken Seto : I don't understand the claim that the speed of light is not c after acceleration.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:45:05 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : I wonder if the noon/midnight effect is independent of the direction of rotation of the sensor.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:48:36 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : I agree with you method.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:53:51 AM EDT] David de Hilster : interesting variation.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 10:58:02 AM EDT] Felix Scholkmann : The paper of Wang et al: http://www.worldnpa.org/pdf/abstracts/abstracts_2747.pdf

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:01:59 AM EDT] Prof. Rati Ram Sharma : No sound

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:02:28 AM EDT] David de Hilster : I have sound.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:05:23 AM EDT] David de Hilster : No audio again!

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:05:33 AM EDT] Nick Percival : I have a comment

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:05:35 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Great job. Wow!!!

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:06:34 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Franco , can you go back to the inertial transformation slide so I can copy it.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:07:46 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : This is a good demo of spme of the differences between sci entists and engineers.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:10:35 AM EDT] Ken Seto : I hear you

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:10:49 AM EDT] Nick Percival : No

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:10:55 AM EDT] Andrew Gray : I do not hear franco

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:10:58 AM EDT] Ken Seto : No I don't hear Franco

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:11:11 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : I see and hear david; I see and do not hear Franco.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:11:27 AM EDT] Andrew Gray : Franco do you have a phone?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:11:55 AM EDT] Thomas Lockyer : Tell Franco to speak

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:12:08 AM EDT] Andrew Gray : We can see you franco, can you write your phone number and show us with a piece of paper?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:12:19 AM EDT] Francesca Intini : I try to phone him

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:13:58 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : Franco might not be able to achieve connection with out feedback unless he uses headphones.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:15:47 AM EDT] Andrew Gray : Now I can hear

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:17:12 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : Franco can solve the feedback event by using headphones. His terminal is receiving and re-transmitting David's comments.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:17:15 AM EDT] jenner bastos : Now I can hear and very well!

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:17:35 AM EDT] Ron Hatch : Sorry to be so late

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:21:36 AM EDT] Thomas Lockyer : Does the refractive index of the moving fiber optic cable affect the light velocity just like Fizeau determined for the velocity of light in flowing water??

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:22:46 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : OK

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:23:57 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Well I wanted to know if the FOC is or is not confirmation of Michelson_Gale.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:24:18 AM EDT] David de Hilster : FOC?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:24:23 AM EDT] franco Selleri : jenner, welcome! Franco

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:24:37 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Feber Optic Conveyor

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:24:40 AM EDT] jenner bastos : Thak for you FRANCO. I am very very happy

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:26:04 AM EDT] Ken Seto : Why does a clock does not measure c after acceleration?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:26:35 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : God they are consistent and that is encourag ing.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:26:40 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Good

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:26:51 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : David - re feedback: you might consider, prior to the pressentation, re-hear-sing your presenters in the art of using he equipment.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:27:20 AM EDT] David de Hilster : We rehearsed this with every speaker and did with Franco.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:27:39 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Thomas, I think I want to know what kind of fiber optic cable was used.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:28:56 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : I think it is because the time LT is a function of position x.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:29:24 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : His IT has no position dependence on x.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:29:44 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : t=Rt sub zero

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:29:54 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : No x there.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:30:16 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : I wonder what mechanisms you use to introduce and sense light pulses in the rotating fiber-optic band.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:31:13 AM EDT] Nick Percival : I have a comment on that

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:31:22 AM EDT] steve waterman : David, I cannot understand you very well...it echoes quite badly.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:31:35 AM EDT] David de Hilster : I know folks.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:31:43 AM EDT] David de Hilster : We are doing the best we can.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:32:10 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Steve, the echo occurs because Prf. Selleri doesn't have a headset.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:32:10 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : The nice thing about feedback is that if you miss it the first time, you get a second chance.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:34:25 AM EDT] Thomas Lockyer : Fizeau confirmed velocity of light vc = vw(1-(1/n^2)) for flowing water (vw).

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:34:26 AM EDT] steve waterman : IT question... if x = 2 and vt = 3, can x' = 5 ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:35:16 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : Thomas - please reference to Fizeau.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:35:22 AM EDT] Nick Percival : Yes

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:35:51 AM EDT] Nick Percival : Yes, I'd like a mic.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:36:10 AM EDT] Ken Seto : You can eliminate the echo by click on to the volume control when Daivd speaks

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:37:41 AM EDT] Thomas Lockyer : Ed, in the 1849 Fizeau experiments.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:39:36 AM EDT] Ed Seykota : Thomas - thank you.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:40:17 AM EDT] steve waterman : David How do I see the older chat...i cannot see my question any more...did he answer ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:40:31 AM EDT] francesco fucilla : franco great presentation your fellow collaborators at steriwave plc and yellow energy are proud of our franco welldone :-)

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:40:35 AM EDT] David de Hilster : He said it was very simple.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:41:31 AM EDT] steve waterman : But no answer...is it -1 or 5 or both ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:42:45 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Works good.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:43:17 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Thanks Nick.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:43:36 AM EDT] steve waterman : where is the mute button ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:44:13 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Mpove mouse onto video feed and it appears by motionfrom the right.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:44:28 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : See the gray tab on the right?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:45:48 AM EDT] steve waterman : Got it Harry, thanks.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:45:53 AM EDT] Harry Ricker : Good point david. Plus they throor in the observer confusion.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:45:53 AM EDT] Nick Percival : Point well taken.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:48:37 AM EDT] Andrew Gray : Can franco cover his mike while David is talking?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:49:25 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Andrew, try muting Dr. Selleri when other are talking.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:50:50 AM EDT] steve waterman : can any one respond to me question please given x' = x - vt...given x = 2 and vt = 3 ...what is x' ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:51:07 AM EDT] David de Hilster : His answer was 5.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:51:28 AM EDT] David de Hilster : debroglie

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:51:56 AM EDT] steve waterman : Interesting...Galilean says it is -1.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 11:52:19 AM EDT] David de Hilster : I wlll have him revisit the question.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:01:58 PM EDT] Harry Ricker : David, Is it too soon to prmo the Relativity discussion group.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:02:31 PM EDT] steve waterman : So he says it is -1 and not 5 then ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:03:38 PM EDT] Greg Volk : May I please hav the mic?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:04:31 PM EDT] Ed Seykota : David - you might like to consider the effect of splitting the group might have on "critical mass."

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:05:34 PM EDT] steve waterman : So a single point only gets transformed to -1, and does not

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:06:27 PM EDT] Andrew Gray : yes

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:08:30 PM EDT] Nick Percival : Friday at what time ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:08:46 PM EDT] steve waterman : Andrew So P = 2 and vt = 3

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:09:10 PM EDT] Harry Ricker : 5:30 WST 8:30 est I am leading the group.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:09:13 PM EDT] Al Krack,lauer : Will "groups" be recorded?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:09:15 PM EDT] steve waterman : try again...so p = 2 and vt = 3

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:09:44 PM EDT] steve waterman : has but one solution...-1 ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:10:32 PM EDT] Bob de : Yes!

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:10:33 PM EDT] Ed Seykota : Franco - thank you for your presentation.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:10:45 PM EDT] Greg Volk : I'm here

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:10:47 PM EDT] Harry Ricker : Steve, I think you are right.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:10:48 PM EDT] steve waterman : a coordinate transformation has TWO solutions...each frame to the other..does it not ?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:10:54 PM EDT] Bob de : I need video

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:11:06 PM EDT] David de Hilster : will do

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:11:18 PM EDT] Harry Ricker : David, question about recording discussion groups.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:11:32 PM EDT] David de Hilster : We will record all of them.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:11:40 PM EDT] Harry Ricker : OK

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:12:29 PM EDT] Harry Ricker : Relativity group Friday Oct 23 at 8:30 EST 5:30 PST.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:12:59 PM EDT] steve waterman : Harry...let's talk off-line.

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:13:24 PM EDT] David de Hilster : We need to start a relativity group for Europe at least. What is a good time?

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:15:05 PM EDT] Nick Percival : Thanks, Harry

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:16:32 PM EDT] Nick Percival : Thanks, Franco!!!

[Sat 10 Oct 2009 12:16:49 PM EDT] Francesca Intini : many thanks!