[Wed 01 Apr 2009 09:52:37 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Shalom Rabbi! [Wed 01 Apr 2009 09:53:58 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Shalom Shirley [Wed 01 Apr 2009 09:56:28 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Like they say "you get what you pay for" but sometimes that's not a bad idea. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 09:56:56 PM EDT] shirley : shalom, artcheryl [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:01:04 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Shalom Herman and Gloria! How are you. Ready for Passover? If not, come on down and spend it with the Congregation. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:04:37 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Rabbi, Would Solomons have something? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:06:57 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Has anyone told you they were coming to the Seder? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:09:19 PM EDT] Linda : Shalom. Just finishing up listening to last weeks recording. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:09:24 PM EDT] seaborns : shalom [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:09:25 PM EDT] Linda : Hello girls [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:09:30 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : I mailed out some flyers but have not heard from anyone. Has Gayle mentioned that she's picked up some reservations? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:09:44 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Shalom Girls! [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:10:12 PM EDT] Linda : I mentioned Passover to my bible study group. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:10:21 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Shalom Linda! [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:10:37 PM EDT] Linda : How are you feeling Cheryl? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:10:43 PM EDT] Linda : Shalom. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:11:01 PM EDT] Vince : Shalom everyone [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:11:15 PM EDT] Linda : I also invited my boys and their girlfriends...we will see what happens. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:11:34 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : I'll check on Shabbat. I think I'll be there. The doctor has me on some powerful drugs. All I can do is sleep! [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:11:46 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Shalom Vince! [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:12:18 PM EDT] Vince : Shalom ArtCheryl [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:12:59 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : That would be nice but the drugs make me so dizzy. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:13:04 PM EDT] Linda : I mentioned how we should at least understand passover in my bible study class then the video we watched by Beth Moore, she mentions that she celebrates Passover :) [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:13:50 PM EDT] Linda : Hello Shirley..how have you been [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:15:30 PM EDT] Linda : Maybe...one of the womens husband was raised Jewish but he is "christianized" [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:15:53 PM EDT] Linda : I am trying to convince her to check into her Hebraic roots. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:16:49 PM EDT] Linda : She is very interested in it all. I emailed all my church friends the flyer and told them to call me if they have any questions. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:18:00 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Linda, Does he speak Hebrew? Start bringing your Hewbrew Book and ask him questions. This might help him see what he is missing. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:18:15 PM EDT] Linda : I have been checking out some sites and found many of women wearing Tzit Tzit which surprised me. I dont see a distinction between men and women in either Deut. or Numbers. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:18:40 PM EDT] Linda : I have her im my womens Letters of Paul group. I dont see him. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:19:10 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Ask her to ask him. That will get them both wondering. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:20:02 PM EDT] Linda : One section I read mentioned if a woman is married her husband is the spiritual head of the household so if he wears them he is fulfilling the commandment for his family which doesnt make sence since women keep shabbat and other commands [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:20:05 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : There are two Jewish men where Art works and they could never figure out why this goy is studing Hebrew. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:20:19 PM EDT] Linda : lol...I will ask her [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:20:33 PM EDT] Linda : She knows I am learning Hebrew. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:20:32 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : It has caused them to question him. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:20:49 PM EDT] Linda : Tov Meod Art :) [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:21:20 PM EDT] Vince : I'm a little ignorant on this but does it confound non-believing Jews when a goy studies Hebrew? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:22:43 PM EDT] Linda : I had lunch with someone whos partner happened to be Jewish. He saw my Hebrew homehork and grabbed it out of my notebook and had to prove he could read it too. I could tell he was mystified by my learning hebrew. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:23:54 PM EDT] Linda : Thats exactly the feeling I got when he grabbed my paper and basically said "see I can read this too" His wife didnt have a clue. She is Jewish too. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:24:29 PM EDT] Linda : She wanted to know where I went on shabbat but her husband explained to her that No she wouldnt want to go there [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:25:26 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Why? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:25:57 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Is Ellen there? Shalom Ellen! [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:26:11 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : No, you need to behave. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:26:42 PM EDT] Ellen : hello everyone [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:26:59 PM EDT] Vince : Hi Ellen [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:27:15 PM EDT] seaborns : shalom ellen [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:27:27 PM EDT] Ellen : shalom [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:27:49 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : No, it's April 1 [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:34:26 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : There are even some pastors that become an idol to a person. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:34:32 PM EDT] seaborns : budhists bring fruitto their Gods in the temple [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:36:44 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : What are the four ways we worship God? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:37:05 PM EDT] seaborns : praise,prayer,bow,serving [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:38:08 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : The only link I see is "to the fourth generation." [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:39:32 PM EDT] Linda : That would be for worshipping [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:39:41 PM EDT] Linda : Not just artwork [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:39:44 PM EDT] Linda : ? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:40:44 PM EDT] Linda : So the inferance is to make something to worship. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:42:13 PM EDT] Linda : Because if God created us as creative people its a shame not to be able to create ;) [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:44:24 PM EDT] Linda : ???? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:45:41 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Is there scripture to support that. In other words, if I have a statue of Moshe, is that wrong? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:47:35 PM EDT] Linda : You know if you are worshipping a doll or ? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 10:57:35 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : We're all doomed! [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:00:31 PM EDT] Linda : Just leave it barren? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:03:59 PM EDT] Linda : Widkedness likes company. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:07:00 PM EDT] Linda : Shouldnt hate him...hate the idolatry though [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:07:33 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Are we to continually have hate in our heart....where is the forgiveness. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:08:22 PM EDT] Linda : Gay rights and abortion groups [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:09:22 PM EDT] Linda : Because shouldnt we pray for them to have a change of heart? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:11:07 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : But it's also due to Yeshua we can forgive. Look at the reconciliation. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:13:02 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Is there anything in the Tenach that talks about an idolator changing their ways. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:19:03 PM EDT] Linda : Ouch [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:19:39 PM EDT] Linda : Make sure its from Him and pray for confirmation [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:21:56 PM EDT] Linda : Maybe dont be afraid to prosecute him [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:23:34 PM EDT] Linda : what about superstition? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:24:44 PM EDT] Linda : For number 47...it seems a lot of people are superstitious that should know better than to delve in that stuff. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:26:31 PM EDT] Linda : Again...superstition and raising kids allowing them to participate in witchraft (Harry Potter etc...) [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:28:20 PM EDT] Linda : Horror movies [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:29:26 PM EDT] Linda : And by Not raising your kids in a biblical way it is like giving them over to satan or [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:32:22 PM EDT] seaborns : thanks for tolerating our antique computer. A big thanks for help with our study Sat. nite! We found dagesh as the dot that keeps the vowel from going on and on. Helen wants us to put you on speed dial.haha [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:33:05 PM EDT] Linda : I am still trying to work out the Tzit Tzit for women deal...if it is a command its a command [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:35:21 PM EDT] Linda : Some of the sites I saw, women added them to tshirts that were altered to have 4 corners [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:35:48 PM EDT] Linda : so not tallit but added tzittzit to the shirts. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:36:27 PM EDT] Linda : Several messianic sites were recommending that [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:36:45 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : On the same line, if a women is married, she does not need to wear one. But, maybe for the unmarried, as they don't have a covering of a man over them. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:36:59 PM EDT] Linda : Prayers shawls and tshirts with tzittzit [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:37:17 PM EDT] Linda : Again is that tradition? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:37:31 PM EDT] Linda : Do married women not need to keep kosher or shabbat [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:38:55 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : When we were going to the traditional Synagogue, the women did not wear them. Look at the movie "Fiddler On The Roof". I don't remember seeing a women wearing a Tzit Tzit [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:38:56 PM EDT] Linda : We cant pick how observant we want to be...you either are or you are not ;) [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:39:27 PM EDT] Linda : Ram Bams wife wore them ;) [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:39:54 PM EDT] Linda : Said one site...I will try to find it again [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:40:48 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Did Devorah wear one? I'm going based on tradition. It might be okay. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:41:12 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Yes [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:42:12 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Does it say anything in the book "To Be A Jew" or "To Pray As A Jew" [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:43:01 PM EDT] Vince : We have enough info in the greek to determine that Yeshua wore tsit tsit? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:44:20 PM EDT] Linda : Yesh Yeshua wore them. Matthew 9 :20 [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:44:37 PM EDT] Linda : Mark 5:25 and 6:54 [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:45:32 PM EDT] Linda : Malachi 4:2 mentions healing in the wings for the Son of Righteousness [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:45:32 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Is tefillin for men only? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:46:34 PM EDT] Linda : but is there a difference in Tallit and TzitTzit... [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:46:59 PM EDT] Linda : The command is Tzit Tzit on the 4 corners of the garment [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:47:25 PM EDT] Linda : What are Teffilin? [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:48:56 PM EDT] Linda : I think the word was Kanaph which meant corner or border or wing [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:48:56 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : The man is to be the Priest in the family and is to educate his wife and the wife would teach the children. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:50:10 PM EDT] Linda : but does his keeping the law absolve the family from obedience [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:51:04 PM EDT] Vince : I would think he sets the standard for the family to obey likewise [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:52:56 PM EDT] Linda : Each one is responsible for his own actions I think although it is the husbands place to make sure his family is staying in line. [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:53:02 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Too late [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:53:13 PM EDT] Linda : Hope you feel better Cheryl [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:54:25 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Toda everyone [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:54:41 PM EDT] Linda : Nite everyone [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:54:40 PM EDT] ArtCheryl : Shalom and Toda Rabbi [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:54:46 PM EDT] Linda : Shalom [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:54:55 PM EDT] Vince : Good night [Wed 01 Apr 2009 11:54:56 PM EDT] Ellen : goodnight